Re: "Disquiet in the archives" in THE CONVERSATION
#archiving
Carol H. Tucker
AND this is why historians will tell you there is no such thing as an historical fact - it is all interpretation....
On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 11:28 AM Matt Finch <Matthew.Finch@...> wrote:
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Carol H. Tucker "I only care about the words that flutter from your mind. They are the only thing you truly own. The only thing I will remember you by. I will not fall in love with your bones and skin. I will not fall in love with the places you have been. I will not fall in love with anything but the words that flutter from your Extraordinary Mind." ~ Andre Jordan
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"Disquiet in the archives" in THE CONVERSATION
#archiving
Matt Finch
A nice piece from Australia's Stuart Kells in The Conversation this week, which may have some resonance for people working in KM too:
Given that collection and preservation decisions must often be made under the so-called "TUNA conditions" of turbulence, uncertainty, novelty, and ambiguity - and their value may only be revealed in hindsight - I take this as a good argument to
build a foresight capacity into collections strategy.
Precisely when you can't see what lies ahead for sure, you can manufacture plausible future contexts as vantage points on the present.
These can challenge current assumptions and help us make wiser decisions about what to collect, what to keep & how to keep it, and what its value might be as events unfold and circumstances change.
Complementing this is a nice Harvard working paper from Peter Scoblic on the idea that, when we can't decide confidently based on the models of the past, or make decisions by analogy to previous situations, we can manufacture plausible future
scenarios to help guide us:
"[...T]reating the future as plural and less knowable can, in theory, make [knowledge!] managers more sensitive to changes in the present, reduce overconfidence in specific courses
of action, and render mental models more flexible, thereby improving adaptability to whatever future does manifest"
Happy weekend, all --
MATTHEW FINCH
Associate Fellow, Saïd Business School
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
Murray Jennex
and that was our other purpose, to focus leaver knowledge retention on those with the critical knowledge and impact to the company and not on everyone. that is the purpose of the scoring approach....murray jennex
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Milton <nick.milton@...> To: main@SIKM.groups.io Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2023 3:21 am Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer Indeed, and if I understand correctly, Shell only take about 5% of their leavers through the ROCK process. For the remainder, it is assumed that they have been contributing effectively to the collective body of knowledge throughout their career. In other words, retention is done as an exception.
That’s why it’s hard to find a benchmark for retention alone, because the more effective your KM program, the less of an issue retention becomes.
Nick Milton
Knoco Ltd From: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> On Behalf Of Murray Jennex via groups.io
Sent: 12 January 2023 01:43 To: tim.powell@...; main@SIKM.groups.io Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer totally agree with you Tim, our real finding (although somewhat hidden) is as you say, harvest continually....murray
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Powell <tim.powell@...> To: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Jan 11, 2023 7:22 am Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer Thanks Murray, I will read this carefully.
Part of the solution to the timing issue is (ideally) to do this harvesting on an ongoing basis. Waiting for a separation event, as you point out, invites other problems.
tp
New York City, USA | TEL +1.212.243.1200 |
From: <main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of "Murray Jennex via groups.io" <murphjen@...>
Reply-To: "main@SIKM.groups.io" <main@SIKM.groups.io> Date: Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:26 PM To: Tim Powell <tim.powell@...>, "main@SIKM.groups.io" <main@SIKM.groups.io> Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer I did a paper on knowledge loss risk in 2014 (attached) and the basis for this paper was retirements. I was working with a defense contractor and we were trying to develop a suite of tools to assist in capturing knowledge and facilitate knowledge transfer. The paper outlines one of the tools as we determined the key issue was figuring out when people were retiring or leaving (leaving is much tougher to determine) and outlines a process for determining who has critical knowledge and how soon they may be leaving, then lists a number of approaches for capturing their knowledge based on the length of the time frame available. I've used the tool, not sure if anyone else has. I'm currently working on modifying the tool using lessons from the new norm of COVID....murray jennex
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Powell <tim.powell@...> To: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2023 8:33 am Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer Dear Martin,
I recently had a client ask me a similar question – which is an excellent one, given the wave of retirements many organizations currently face. Here’s a summary of my recommendations to them, which may give you some ideas – though you have already hit on some of my points: https://timwoodpowell.com/knowledge-erosion-how-to-avoid-it/
Kind regards,
Tim
New York City, USA | TEL +1.212.243.1200 |
From: <main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Dugage <mrdugage@...>
Reply-To: "main@SIKM.groups.io" <main@SIKM.groups.io> Date: Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:11 AM To: "main@SIKM.groups.io" <main@SIKM.groups.io> Subject: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer Dear KMers
I am looking for an example of a large company anywhere in the world having an outstanding knowledge transfer practice concerning retiring experts and key people.
I have several examples of companies with excellent "social" practices like removing these people from operations one or two years before their departure and turning them into teachers and professors with the help of the KM department. That is what Airbus did a few years back, and that we copied at Framatome. I also have numerous examples of such people hired back as consultants after their departure. But I have no example whatsoever of a company having consciously leveraged technology to organize the community of its expert alumni, with the objective:
· to maintain ongoing exchanges
· to hire them as subject matter expert to give a mastercourse
· to keep them in the loop of some of its projects as project reviewers,
· to invite them as occasional guests in its online or face-to-face workshops,
· to use them as contributors on some defined groups on its collaboration platforms
· etc.
along with the associated legal, technical and economic framework.
If you have any name or contact, including in the web3 space (who knows?), I would appreciate you letting me know.
Many thanks and happy new year again!
Best Regards
--
Martin ROULLEAUX DUGAGE
MOPSOS
"you train for certainty and educate for uncertainty"
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Re: Intranet Benchmarking
#intranet
Thank you, Mark and James, for sharing these great resources. I will check them out!
Anna
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Re: Intranet Benchmarking
#intranet
Mark Tilbury
Digital Workplace Group also deal with intranet benchmarking - https://digitalworkplacegroup.com/benchmarking/ and you can also complete a free diagnostic here: https://dwgapps.com/diagnostic.html
cheers
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
Nick Milton
Indeed, and if I understand correctly, Shell only take about 5% of their leavers through the ROCK process. For the remainder, it is assumed that they have been contributing effectively to the collective body of knowledge throughout their career. In other words, retention is done as an exception.
That’s why it’s hard to find a benchmark for retention alone, because the more effective your KM program, the less of an issue retention becomes.
Nick Milton
From: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> On Behalf Of Murray Jennex via groups.io
Sent: 12 January 2023 01:43 To: tim.powell@...; main@SIKM.groups.io Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer
totally agree with you Tim, our real finding (although somewhat hidden) is as you say, harvest continually....murray -----Original Message----- Thanks Murray, I will read this carefully.
Part of the solution to the timing issue is (ideally) to do this harvesting on an ongoing basis. Waiting for a separation event, as you point out, invites other problems.
tp
TIM WOOD POWELL | President, The Knowledge Agency® | Author, The Value of Knowledge | New York City, USA | TEL +1.212.243.1200 | SITE KnowledgeAgency.com | BLOG TimWoodPowell.com |
From: <main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of "Murray Jennex via groups.io" <murphjen@...>
I did a paper on knowledge loss risk in 2014 (attached) and the basis for this paper was retirements. I was working with a defense contractor and we were trying to develop a suite of tools to assist in capturing knowledge and facilitate knowledge transfer. The paper outlines one of the tools as we determined the key issue was figuring out when people were retiring or leaving (leaving is much tougher to determine) and outlines a process for determining who has critical knowledge and how soon they may be leaving, then lists a number of approaches for capturing their knowledge based on the length of the time frame available. I've used the tool, not sure if anyone else has. I'm currently working on modifying the tool using lessons from the new norm of COVID....murray jennex -----Original Message----- Dear Martin,
I recently had a client ask me a similar question – which is an excellent one, given the wave of retirements many organizations currently face. Here’s a summary of my recommendations to them, which may give you some ideas – though you have already hit on some of my points: https://timwoodpowell.com/knowledge-erosion-how-to-avoid-it/
Kind regards,
Tim
TIM WOOD POWELL | President, The Knowledge Agency® | Author, The Value of Knowledge | New York City, USA | TEL +1.212.243.1200 | SITE KnowledgeAgency.com | BLOG TimWoodPowell.com |
From: <main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Dugage <mrdugage@...>
Dear KMers I am looking for an example of a large company anywhere in the world having an outstanding knowledge transfer practice concerning retiring experts and key people. I have several examples of companies with excellent "social" practices like removing these people from operations one or two years before their departure and turning them into teachers and professors with the help of the KM department. That is what Airbus did a few years back, and that we copied at Framatome. I also have numerous examples of such people hired back as consultants after their departure. But I have no example whatsoever of a company having consciously leveraged technology to organize the community of its expert alumni, with the objective: · to maintain ongoing exchanges · to hire them as subject matter expert to give a mastercourse · to keep them in the loop of some of its projects as project reviewers, · to invite them as occasional guests in its online or face-to-face workshops, · to use them as contributors on some defined groups on its collaboration platforms · etc. along with the associated legal, technical and economic framework. If you have any name or contact, including in the web3 space (who knows?), I would appreciate you letting me know. Many thanks and happy new year again! Best Regards -- Martin ROULLEAUX DUGAGE MOPSOS "you train for certainty and educate for uncertainty"
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
Murray Jennex
totally agree with you Tim, our real finding (although somewhat hidden) is as you say, harvest continually....murray
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Powell <tim.powell@...> To: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Jan 11, 2023 7:22 am Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer Thanks Murray, I will read this carefully.
Part of the solution to the timing issue is (ideally) to do this harvesting on an ongoing basis. Waiting for a separation event, as you point out, invites other problems.
tp
New York City, USA
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From:
<main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of "Murray Jennex via groups.io" <murphjen@...>
Reply-To: "main@SIKM.groups.io" <main@SIKM.groups.io> Date: Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:26 PM To: Tim Powell <tim.powell@...>, "main@SIKM.groups.io" <main@SIKM.groups.io> Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer
I did a paper on knowledge loss risk in 2014 (attached) and the basis for this paper was retirements. I was working with a defense contractor and we were trying to develop a suite of
tools to assist in capturing knowledge and facilitate knowledge transfer. The paper outlines one of the tools as we determined
the key issue was figuring out when people were retiring or leaving (leaving is much tougher to determine) and outlines a process for determining who has critical knowledge and how soon they may be
leaving, then lists a number of approaches for capturing their knowledge based on the length of the time frame available. I've used the tool, not sure if anyone else has. I'm currently working on modifying the tool using lessons from the new norm of COVID....murray
jennex
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Powell <tim.powell@...> To: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2023 8:33 am Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer Dear Martin,
I recently had a client ask me a similar question – which is an excellent one, given the wave of retirements many organizations currently
face. Here’s a summary of my recommendations to them, which may give you some ideas – though you have already hit on some of my points:
https://timwoodpowell.com/knowledge-erosion-how-to-avoid-it/
Kind regards,
Tim
New York City, USA
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From:
<main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Dugage <mrdugage@...>
Reply-To: "main@SIKM.groups.io" <main@SIKM.groups.io> Date: Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:11 AM To: "main@SIKM.groups.io" <main@SIKM.groups.io> Subject: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer Dear KMers
I am looking for an example of a large company anywhere in the world having an outstanding knowledge transfer practice concerning retiring
experts and key people.
I have several examples of companies with excellent "social" practices like removing these people from operations one or two years before their
departure and turning them into teachers and professors with the help of the KM department. That is what Airbus did a few years back, and that we copied at Framatome. I also have numerous examples of such people hired back as consultants after their departure.
But I have no example whatsoever of a company having consciously leveraged technology to organize the community of its expert alumni, with the objective:
·
to maintain ongoing exchanges
·
to hire them as subject matter expert to give a mastercourse
·
to keep them in the loop of some of its projects as project reviewers,
·
to invite them as occasional guests in its online or face-to-face workshops,
·
to use them as contributors on some defined groups on its collaboration platforms
·
etc.
along with the associated legal, technical and economic framework.
If you have any name or contact, including in the web3 space (who knows?), I would appreciate you letting me know.
Many thanks and happy new year again!
Best Regards
--
Martin ROULLEAUX DUGAGE
MOPSOS
"you train for certainty and educate for uncertainty"
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
Murray Jennex
I agree with you Nick, but having them available for history is the key thing. I wouldn't rely on them to know how to do the job now, but to provide insight into what has worked and what didn't work and why. And of course this varies with the type of organization, engineering organizations (of all types) are more apt to benefit than say sales organizations. The risk is in not understanding the limitations of past knowledge and this is true be it retiree knowledge or captured knowledge....murray jennex
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Milton <nick.milton@...> To: main@SIKM.groups.io Sent: Wed, Jan 11, 2023 4:01 am Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer There are three things that worry me about relying too much on retiree networks:
So the networks may work as a short term solution, but then become a risk
Nick Milton
Knoco Ltd From: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert M. Taylor via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2023 23:08 To: main@SIKM.groups.io Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer This was the famous case of Bob Buckman's Buckman Labs, wasn't it, from the early days of KM? The story that retirees were retained in the network?
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Re: Intranet Benchmarking
#intranet
James Robertson
Hi Anna, Can I humbly add our own global intranet awards to the list (they've been running for 15 years, with the option of purchasing the last 10 years as a bundle): www.steptwo.com.au/iia There are also a number of membership communities around the globe which are all a superb way of connecting with, and learning from others. The communities include: www.steptwo.com.au/forum (Most of these are regional in focus, such as ours
which is primarily--but not exclusively--focused on supporting
members in the APAC region.) Hope that helps, --
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Re: Intranet Benchmarking
#intranet
Hi Heather, Thank you for the reply. Yes, we’ve purchased the 2022 Intranet Design Annual from Nielsen Norman, which has been very helpful. We’re looking to see if we can connect with anyone on those award-winning teams.
I have not reviewed anything from APQC. Thank you so much for sharing the link…I will check out those resources.
Anna Cangialosi m 248.709.0663
From:
main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of Heather Fox via groups.io <heather@...> Anna,
In addition to doing your own benchmarking, have you reviewed existing Intranet research and benchmarking from Nielsen Norman Group (NNG) and American Productivity and Quality Center (APQC)?
Intranet reports from NNG: https://www.nngroup.com/reports/topic/intranets/ Intranet reports within KM and HR reports/benchmarking from APQC: https://www.apqc.org/resource-library?keys=Intranet&sort_by=search_api_relevance&items_per_page=15
Best, Heather
Heather Fox
From:
main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of Anna Cangialosi via groups.io <anna.cangialosi@...>
Hi,
We're curious how other companies' intranets have evolved, how the navigation has changed or not changed, how you user test, and what your current and ideal intranet team looks like.
We're happy to share the same information if it would be helpful.
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Re: Intranet Benchmarking
#intranet
Anna,
In addition to doing your own benchmarking, have you reviewed existing Intranet research and benchmarking from Nielsen Norman Group (NNG) and American Productivity and Quality Center (APQC)?
Intranet reports from NNG: https://www.nngroup.com/reports/topic/intranets/ Intranet reports within KM and HR reports/benchmarking from APQC: https://www.apqc.org/resource-library?keys=Intranet&sort_by=search_api_relevance&items_per_page=15
Best, Heather
Heather Fox
From:
main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of Anna Cangialosi via groups.io <anna.cangialosi@...>
Hi,
We're curious how other companies' intranets have evolved, how the navigation has changed or not changed, how you user test, and what your current and ideal intranet team looks like.
We're happy to share the same information if it would be helpful.
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Intranet Benchmarking
#intranet
Hi, We're curious how other companies' intranets have evolved, how the navigation has changed or not changed, how you user test, and what your current and ideal intranet team looks like.
We're happy to share the same information if it would be helpful.
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
Chris Leljdal
Hello Tim, Will do, I had to find it in my files. I will get it to you today. Chris Leljedal
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023, 10:22 Tim Powell <tim.powell@...> wrote:
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
Tim Powell
All valid points, Nick.
tp
TIM WOOD POWELL | President, The Knowledge Agency® | Author, The Value of Knowledge | New York City, USA | TEL +1.212.243.1200 | SITE KnowledgeAgency.com | BLOG TimWoodPowell.com |
From:
<main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of Nick Milton <nick.milton@...>
There are three things that worry me about relying too much on retiree networks:
1) The treacherous nature of human memory 2) The fact that the retirees, once they retire, immediately become non-current in their knowledge. They retain the knowledge of the past, not the current, activities 3) Their lack of access (they shouldn’t have access) to the confidential company files that act as memory-joggers
So the networks may work as a short term solution, but then become a risk
Nick Milton
From: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Robert M. Taylor via groups.io
This was the famous case of Bob Buckman's Buckman Labs, wasn't it, from the early days of KM? The story that retirees were retained in the network?
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
Tim Powell
Thanks Murray, I will read this carefully.
Part of the solution to the timing issue is (ideally) to do this harvesting on an ongoing basis. Waiting for a separation event, as you point out, invites other problems.
tp
TIM WOOD POWELL | President, The Knowledge Agency® | Author, The Value of Knowledge | New York City, USA | TEL +1.212.243.1200 | SITE KnowledgeAgency.com | BLOG TimWoodPowell.com |
From:
<main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of "Murray Jennex via groups.io" <murphjen@...>
I did a paper on knowledge loss risk in 2014 (attached) and the basis for this paper was retirements. I was working with a defense contractor and we were trying to develop a suite of
tools to assist in capturing knowledge and facilitate knowledge transfer. The paper outlines one of the tools as we determined
the key issue was figuring out when people were retiring or leaving (leaving is much tougher to determine) and outlines a process for determining who has critical knowledge and how soon they may be
leaving, then lists a number of approaches for capturing their knowledge based on the length of the time frame available. I've used the tool, not sure if anyone else has. I'm currently working on modifying the tool using lessons from the new norm of COVID....murray
jennex
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Powell <tim.powell@...> To: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2023 8:33 am Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer Dear Martin,
I recently had a client ask me a similar question – which is an excellent one, given the wave of retirements many organizations currently face. Here’s a summary of my recommendations to them, which may give you some ideas – though you have already hit on some of my points: https://timwoodpowell.com/knowledge-erosion-how-to-avoid-it/
Kind regards,
Tim
TIM WOOD POWELL | President, The Knowledge Agency® | Author, The Value of Knowledge | New York City, USA | TEL +1.212.243.1200 | SITE KnowledgeAgency.com | BLOG TimWoodPowell.com |
From:
<main@SIKM.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Dugage <mrdugage@...>
Dear KMers I am looking for an example of a large company anywhere in the world having an outstanding knowledge transfer practice concerning retiring experts and key people. I have several examples of companies with excellent "social" practices like removing these people from operations one or two years before their departure and turning them into teachers and professors with the help of the KM department. That is what Airbus did a few years back, and that we copied at Framatome. I also have numerous examples of such people hired back as consultants after their departure. But I have no example whatsoever of a company having consciously leveraged technology to organize the community of its expert alumni, with the objective: · to maintain ongoing exchanges · to hire them as subject matter expert to give a mastercourse · to keep them in the loop of some of its projects as project reviewers, · to invite them as occasional guests in its online or face-to-face workshops, · to use them as contributors on some defined groups on its collaboration platforms · etc. along with the associated legal, technical and economic framework. If you have any name or contact, including in the web3 space (who knows?), I would appreciate you letting me know. Many thanks and happy new year again! Best Regards -- Martin ROULLEAUX DUGAGE MOPSOS "you train for certainty and educate for uncertainty"
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
Nick Milton
There are three things that worry me about relying too much on retiree networks:
So the networks may work as a short term solution, but then become a risk
Nick Milton
From: main@SIKM.groups.io <main@SIKM.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert M. Taylor via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2023 23:08 To: main@SIKM.groups.io Subject: Re: [SIKM] Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer #knowledge-retention #knowledge-transfer
This was the famous case of Bob Buckman's Buckman Labs, wasn't it, from the early days of KM? The story that retirees were retained in the network?
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Re: New year new KM role?
#jobs
Great and rare opportunity for someone. About 3 years ago I took a similar job to be global KM community lead for a Big N firm. Unfortunately the job wasn't as advertised and they were just interested in tech so I left, but the opportunity to really focus on the people and community aspects is a rare one. Well done you guys if you have the vision for it.
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Re: Data Mining
#data-science
#question
#content-management
I think this is the right answer and is the approach I've implemented successfully in the past. Far more to do with process and content than any data analysis tool. I think that would be a far slower way to do it.
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Re: Looking for a global benchmark on knowledge transfer
#knowledge-retention
#knowledge-transfer
This was the famous case of Bob Buckman's Buckman Labs, wasn't it, from the early days of KM? The story that retirees were retained in the network?
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Re: The AI view of KM
#AI
#art-of-KM
I read linguistics and AI and spent a very brief time working on computer understanding of language, my God, more than 35 years ago before I realised it wasn't for me. I mean, I know it's funny sometimes, but I'm in total awe as to what has so far been achieved when you consider the difficulties. Turing Test? Well, they're at least as smart as Dan Quayle when he was VP of the USA as far as I can see.
But seriously, there are many, many real-life situations where we accept at least the same degree of lack of understanding - think of almost any customer experience you've had with a retailer. As for Searle's Chinese Room, once they start talking to each other there will be dialogue, yes, and probably decisions and actions flowing from that, but could anyone claim there would be any understanding at all going on?
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