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Martin@Cleaver.org <martin@...>
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Lee, Jim <jlee@...>
Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.
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Yao Ge
I justed created one, it currently open to public.
-Yao From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Lee, Jim Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:39 PM To: sikmleaders@... Subject: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki
Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.
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Mark D Neff <mneff@...>
Just went to the site. It is not clear how to edit the page or even if I can. If it is open then we should all be able to edit it. Mark
I justed created one, it currently open to public. http://sites.google.com/site/midwestkm/ -Yao From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Lee, Jim Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:39 PM To: sikmleaders@... Subject: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.
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Yao Ge
hmm.... maybe invitation is required. I have invited your a
few others. Let me know if that makes a different.
-Yao From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Mark D Neff Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:17 PM To: sikmleaders@... Subject: [sikmleaders] Edit function?
I justed created one, it currently open to public. http://sites. -Yao From: sikmleaders@ Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:39 PM To: sikmleaders@ Subject: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.
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John D. Smith <john.smith@...>
And it should be linked with http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sikmleaders/
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I have been experimenting with wikis to facilitate collaborative behaviours between my MBA students. They work together in their assignments to build an on line knowledge encyclopedia. We are in the third iteration of this and the stand of work has got better with each iteration. Just as I left Cadbury last year we were also “playing” with wikis to build collective tome of knowledge using internal experts from different parts of the world.
Certainly I would expect we could build a very interesting volume within this community. The KM pages of Wikipedia are quite limited and could do with some updating as well. Maybe there is a challenge for us. I will contribute to our SIKM community next week. Regards Arthur Shelley From:
sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Lee, Jim
Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.
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Peter Baloh
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David Snowden <snowded@...>
Of course there is another solution - contribute to the Wikipedia pages on Knowledge Management, Community of Practice etc. At the moment only a very small number of us look after those pages and I seem to spend most of my time removing commercial promotion and vandalism.
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That way the contribution would be to the wider community, of course it would then be subject to scrutiny by a wider group of editors and might be less comfortable in consequence. Dave Snowden Founder & Chief Scientific Officer Cognitive Edge Pte Ltd Now blogging at www.cognitive-edge.com On 26 Jul 2008, at 09:37, Arthur Shelley wrote:
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Pete,
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All good questions. Too many KM initiatives are launched without the end benefits in mind. In my case I have specific aims for the wikis the students build. In the case of SIKM, we should defer to Michael (Fulton) who asked the initial query why he thought it might be something worth pursuing. Benefits may be as simple as providing a "safe" environment for SIKM members (those who have no hands on experience with wikis can play to understand how they may apply the tool for other purposes). Another potential benefit is that we build a knowledgebase together so each of us can browse and gain insights for our collective knowledge and experiences (but is this already available through the many websites/on-line resources on KM?). But then if we want to do this, why not on something more open like Wikipedia.. As Dave stated, this may be better done in a more public forum and share the maintenance load a little. I am happy to contribute regardless of purpose as I believe there is value to students in a comprehensive site being available for their reference. Arthur Shelley Author: The Organizational Zoo A Survival Guide to Workplace Behavior <http://www.organizationalzoo.com> www.organizationalzoo.com _____ From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of noisedata Sent: Sunday, 27 July 2008 8:28 AM To: sikmleaders@... Subject: Re: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki Well one think we need to ask ourselves is what do we need this for. Otherwise it is just going to be another example of how not to implement a piece of technology. Is there a problem that needs solving? Opportunity to replace some of the rest of the stuff? Will the SIKM members be better off with wiki (and how)? What is the goal of this? If we can provide answers to this, i am sure the technological implementation is a piece of cake. Pete On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Arthur Shelley <arthur@organization
<mailto:arthur@...> alzoo.com> wrote: I have been experimenting with wikis to facilitate collaborative behaviours between my MBA students. They work together in their assignments to build an on line knowledge encyclopedia. We are in the third iteration of this and the stand of work has got better with each iteration. Just as I left Cadbury last year we were also "playing" with wikis to build collective tome of knowledge using internal experts from different parts of the world. Certainly I would expect we could build a very interesting volume within this community. The KM pages of Wikipedia are quite limited and could do with some updating as well. Maybe there is a challenge for us. I will contribute to our SIKM community next week. Regards Arthur Shelley Author: The Organizational Zoo A Survival Guide to Workplace Behavior <http://www.organizationalzoo.com/> www.organizationalzoo.com Ph +61 413 047 408 _____ From: sikmleaders@ <mailto:sikmleaders@...> yahoogroups.com [mailto:sikmleaders@ <mailto:sikmleaders@...> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee, Jim Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2008 7:39 AM To: sikmleaders@ <mailto:sikmleaders@...> yahoogroups.com Subject: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan's guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we'll be able to make useful contributions to it also. Jim Lee, PMP APQC 123 North Post Oak Lane Houston, TX 77024 O: +1.713.893.7790 C: +1.216.338.3548 email: jlee@... Yahoo, AOL, Skype IM: jimpmp2000 Windows Live Messenger: jimleesr@sbcglobal. <mailto:jimleesr@...> net text messaging: 2163383548@messagin <mailto:2163383548@...> g.sprintpcs.com |
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Albert Simard <simarda@...>
Dave -
Been there; done that. I've posted or contributed to about a dozen
KM-related Wikipedia articles (although not all that much in the past
while. I've even had the joy of having an article on knowledge services
pulled after a group discussion concluded that it was too "avant guarde" for
Wikipedia (a new indicator for leading-edge work!).
I don't think that Wikipedia is the right place for developing a new
concept such as criteria for life-cycle management of knowledge.
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David Snowden <snowded@...>
Well I've been editing it on KM related pages for two years now and haven't seen that. Also avant guarde is not a criteria for deletion. I you put something there it has to be supported but citations which is a good discipline. Let me have the diff on the one which was pulled so I can have a look at it.
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Martin@Cleaver.org <martin@...>
Perhaps the SIKM wiki could start off as 1) a place to articulate and
refine the purpose of the group and 2) a Capture and Reorganization tool for the mailing list. 1) A wiki is a good place to define and evolve a set of concepts. Unlike in email, wiki-based content is not scattered across disconnected threads: it's all in one place, and can be continually refactored to improve the Signal:Noise ration. Yahoo Groups just organizes by date, but for everything else you have to search, and there is no way for readers to improve the quality of the content. Our first purpose for using wiki could well be to define our requirements for a different online space. A wiki may or may not be sufficient, until we've defined and agreed I don't think we'll know. Whereever we go the hard bit is likely to be to get engagement in another online place. The "nice" thing about email is that it's available to everyone everywhere. We all have email, even when disconnected. Not everyone uses RSS and its read-only anyhow. This leads me to my next point. 2) It's possible to automate such that the wiki captures every email that comes through a mailing list. We can start by having the intent that not only are conversations captured as they occur today, but, so that as time passes, the message of each conversation can be reworked, for example to include extra hyperlinks and landing pages to cater for additional purposes. In itself, capture-for-reorganization is valuable. On a wiki, nuggets can be surfaced, promoted, and made into root concepts off of which everything else can hang. (This is not to say that someone must reorganize content. No, it's just that a wiki has this capability as an affordance. Reorganization is a constructivist task, most valuable to the reorganizer. Newcomers may find such articulation of other's concepts a useful way of learning. Old timers will be able to see the ways in which newcomers are interpreting their thoughts. This affords a tacit-explicit loop learning process which people may or may not take advantage of.) Regards, Martin -- Martin Cleaver M.Sc. MBA Martin.Cleaver@... +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5) |
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Albert Simard <simarda@...>
Dave -
Actually, I edited the original article (there was one legitimately
problematic paragraph) and then recast as a sub-heading under knowledge
markets. I'm happy to note that both have lasted more than a year and
that others have added content to give them additional breadth and
depth.
You probably didn't see it because, somehow, I forgot to include a link to
KM in the article (which I just added)! So, I'm happy; the
Wikipedia philosophy remains intact; and there's more KM stuff than is apparent
at first glance.
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David Snowden <snowded@...>
OK I have put it under watch and note it has the buzzword tag
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Albert Simard <simarda@...>
Martin -
The one thing I've found with automated e-mails for wiki changes is that
one can easily get 30 to 50 messages per day if a site has much activity at
all. It is good for group sites, because it is unusual to get the amount
of traffic that this idea has generated. I've learned to use watch
lists rather than e-mail for wikis.
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Albert Simard <simarda@...>
Nope -
This is a group site; not a wiki.
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Martin@Cleaver.org <martin@...>
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John D. Smith <john.smith@...>
One of the learning
activities we've got going in CPsquare is to look at the community &
practice issues involved in being a Wikepedia editor AND a member of a community
that's visible in Wikipedia. So: trying to look at community
muti-membership "on the ground", so to speak. Talking with one guy every
month for a year about his experience of straddling & boundary
crossing.
Our first session -- last
month -- was quite fascinating: we talked about the career path of "a
wikipedian"...
John From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Albert Simard Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:47 AM To: sikmleaders@... Subject: Re: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki Dave -
Actually, I edited the original article (there was one legitimately
problematic paragraph) and then recast as a sub-heading under knowledge
markets. I'm happy to note that both have lasted more than a year and
that others have added content to give them additional breadth and
depth.
You probably didn't see it because, somehow, I forgot to include a link to
KM in the article (which I just added)! So, I'm happy; the
Wikipedia philosophy remains intact; and there's more KM stuff than is apparent
at first glance.
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