Wiki #wikis


Stan Garfield
 


Martin@Cleaver.org <martin@...>
 


Lee, Jim <jlee@...>
 

Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.

 

 

Jim Lee, PMP

APQC

123 North Post Oak Lane

Houston, TX 77024

O: +1.713.893.7790   C: +1.216.338.3548

email: jlee@...

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Yao Ge
 

I justed created one, it currently open to public.
-Yao


From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Lee, Jim
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:39 PM
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki

Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.

Jim Lee, PMP

APQC

123 North Post Oak Lane

Houston, TX 77024

O: +1.713.893.7790   C: +1.216.338.3548

email: jlee@...

Yahoo, AOL, Skype IM: jimpmp2000

Windows Live Messenger: jimleesr@sbcglobal.net

text messaging: 2163383548@messaging.sprintpcs.com


Mark D Neff <mneff@...>
 


Just went to the site. It is not clear how to edit the page or even if I can. If it is open then we should all be able to edit it.

Mark




"Ge, Yao (Y.)" <yge@...>
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I justed created one, it currently open to public.
http://sites.google.com/site/midwestkm/
-Yao


From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Lee, Jim
Sent:
Friday, July 25, 2008 5:39 PM
To:
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Subject:
[sikmleaders] Re: Wiki

Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.

Jim Lee, PMP

APQC

123 North Post Oak Lane

Houston, TX 77024

O: +1.713.893.7790   C: +1.216.338.3548

email: jlee@...

Yahoo, AOL, Skype IM: jimpmp2000

Windows Live Messenger: jimleesr@...

text messaging: 2163383548@...



Yao Ge
 

hmm.... maybe invitation is required. I have invited your a few others. Let me know if that makes a different.
-Yao


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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:17 PM
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Subject: [sikmleaders] Edit function?


Just went to the site. It is not clear how to edit the page or even if I can. If it is open then we should all be able to edit it.

Mark




"Ge, Yao (Y.)"
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I justed created one, it currently open to public.
http://sites.google.com/site/midwestkm/
-Yao


From: sikmleaders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sikmleaders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee, Jim
Sent:
Friday, July 25, 2008 5:39 PM
To:
sikmleaders@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sikmleaders] Re: Wiki

Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.

Jim Lee, PMP

APQC

123 North Post Oak Lane

Houston, TX 77024

O: +1.713.893.7790   C: +1.216.338.3548

email: jlee@...

Yahoo, AOL, Skype IM: jimpmp2000

Windows Live Messenger: jimleesr@sbcglobal.net

text messaging: 2163383548@messaging.sprintpcs.com



John D. Smith <john.smith@...>
 


 
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Arthur Shelley
 

I have been experimenting with wikis to facilitate collaborative behaviours between my MBA students.  They work together in their assignments to build an on line knowledge encyclopedia.  We are in the third iteration of this and the stand of work has got better with each iteration.  Just as I left Cadbury last year we were also “playing” with wikis to build collective tome of knowledge using internal experts from different parts of the world.

 

Certainly I would expect we could build a very interesting volume within this community.  The KM pages of Wikipedia are quite limited and could do with some updating as well.  Maybe there is a challenge for us.  I will contribute to our SIKM community next week.

Regards

Arthur Shelley
Author: The Organizational Zoo A Survival Guide to Workplace Behavior
www.organizationalzoo.com
Ph +61 413 047 408


From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Lee, Jim
Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2008 7:39 AM
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki

 

Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.

 

 

Jim Lee, PMP

APQC

123 North Post Oak Lane

Houston, TX 77024

O: +1.713.893.7790   C: +1.216.338.3548

email: jlee@...

Yahoo, AOL, Skype IM: jimpmp2000

Windows Live Messenger: jimleesr@sbcglobal.net

text messaging: 2163383548@messaging.sprintpcs.com

 

 


Peter Baloh
 


David Snowden <snowded@...>
 

Of course there is another solution - contribute to the Wikipedia pages on Knowledge Management, Community of Practice etc.  At the moment only a very small number of us look after those pages and I seem to spend most of my time removing commercial promotion and vandalism.

That way the contribution would be to the wider community, of course it would then be subject to scrutiny by a wider group of editors and might be less comfortable in consequence.



Dave Snowden
Founder & Chief Scientific Officer
Cognitive Edge Pte Ltd

Now blogging at www.cognitive-edge.com


On 26 Jul 2008, at 09:37, Arthur Shelley wrote:


I have been experimenting with wikis to facilitate collaborative behaviours between my MBA students.  They work together in their assignments to build an on line knowledge encyclopedia.  We are in the third iteration of this and the stand of work has got better with each iteration.  Just as I left Cadbury last year we were also “playing” with wikis to build collective tome of knowledge using internal experts from different parts of the world.

 

Certainly I would expect we could build a very interesting volume within this community.  The KM pages of Wikipedia are quite limited and could do with some updating as well.  Maybe there is a challenge for us.  I will contribute to our SIKM community next week.

Regards

Arthur Shelley
Author: The Organizational Zoo A Survival Guide to Workplace Behavior
www.organizationalzoo.com 
Ph +61 413 047 408


From: sikmleaders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sikmleaders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lee, Jim
Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2008 7:39 AM
To: sikmleaders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki

 

Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan’s guidance here to start one through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and I hope we’ll be able to make useful contributions to it also.

 

 

Jim Lee, PMP

APQC

123 North Post Oak Lane

Houston, TX 77024

O: +1.713.893.7790   C: +1.216.338.3548

email: jlee@...

Yahoo, AOL, Skype IM: jimpmp2000

Windows Live Messenger: jimleesr@sbcglobal.net

text messaging: 2163383548@messaging.sprintpcs.com

 

 




Arthur Shelley
 

Pete,



All good questions. Too many KM initiatives are launched without the end
benefits in mind.

In my case I have specific aims for the wikis the students build. In the
case of SIKM, we should defer to Michael (Fulton) who asked the initial
query why he thought it might be something worth pursuing. Benefits may be
as simple as providing a "safe" environment for SIKM members (those who have
no hands on experience with wikis can play to understand how they may apply
the tool for other purposes).



Another potential benefit is that we build a knowledgebase together so each
of us can browse and gain insights for our collective knowledge and
experiences (but is this already available through the many websites/on-line
resources on KM?). But then if we want to do this, why not on something
more open like Wikipedia..



As Dave stated, this may be better done in a more public forum and share the
maintenance load a little. I am happy to contribute regardless of purpose
as I believe there is value to students in a comprehensive site being
available for their reference.

Arthur Shelley
Author: The Organizational Zoo A Survival Guide to Workplace Behavior
<http://www.organizationalzoo.com> www.organizationalzoo.com

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Behalf Of noisedata
Sent: Sunday, 27 July 2008 8:28 AM
To: sikmleaders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki



Well one think we need to ask ourselves is what do we need this for.
Otherwise it is just going to be another example of how not to implement a
piece of technology. Is there a problem that needs solving? Opportunity to
replace some of the rest of the stuff? Will the SIKM members be better off
with wiki (and how)? What is the goal of this? If we can provide answers
to this, i am sure the technological implementation is a piece of cake.



Pete

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Arthur Shelley <arthur@organization
<mailto:arthur@organizationalzoo.com> alzoo.com> wrote:

I have been experimenting with wikis to facilitate collaborative behaviours
between my MBA students. They work together in their assignments to build
an on line knowledge encyclopedia. We are in the third iteration of this
and the stand of work has got better with each iteration. Just as I left
Cadbury last year we were also "playing" with wikis to build collective tome
of knowledge using internal experts from different parts of the world.



Certainly I would expect we could build a very interesting volume within
this community. The KM pages of Wikipedia are quite limited and could do
with some updating as well. Maybe there is a challenge for us. I will
contribute to our SIKM community next week.

Regards

Arthur Shelley
Author: The Organizational Zoo A Survival Guide to Workplace Behavior
<http://www.organizationalzoo.com/> www.organizationalzoo.com
Ph +61 413 047 408

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On Behalf Of Lee, Jim
Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2008 7:39 AM


To: sikmleaders@ <mailto:sikmleaders@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki



Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in. Interestingly, as Stan points out
the ability of any SIKM member to lead a wiki is independent of a host
source, such as APQC. A wiki is the perfect example of a true peer-to-peer
app, as well as being one of the most visible open source tools as well. So
while we use wikis within APQC, I think Stan's guidance here to start one
through the many sources available is the way to go. Good luck with it, and
I hope we'll be able to make useful contributions to it also.






Jim Lee, PMP

APQC

123 North Post Oak Lane

Houston, TX 77024

O: +1.713.893.7790 C: +1.216.338.3548

email: jlee@apqc.org

Yahoo, AOL, Skype IM: jimpmp2000

Windows Live Messenger: jimleesr@sbcglobal. <mailto:jimleesr@sbcglobal.net>
net

text messaging: 2163383548@messagin
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Albert Simard <simarda@...>
 

Dave -
 
Been there; done that.  I've posted or contributed to about a dozen KM-related Wikipedia articles (although not all that much in the past while.  I've even had the joy of having an article on knowledge services pulled after a group discussion concluded that it was too "avant guarde" for Wikipedia (a new indicator for leading-edge work!).
 
I don't think that Wikipedia is the right place for developing a new concept such as criteria for life-cycle management of knowledge.
 
Al Simard


David Snowden <snowded@...>
 

Well I've been editing it on KM related pages for two years now and haven't seen that.  Also avant guarde is not a criteria for deletion.  I you put something there it has to be supported but citations which is a good discipline.  Let me have the diff on the one which was pulled so I can have a look at it. 

If you want to do original research then the WIkipedia is not the place for it



Dave Snowden
Founder & Chief Scientific Officer
Cognitive Edge Pte Ltd

Now blogging at www.cognitive-edge.com


On 28 Jul 2008, at 15:06, Albert Simard wrote:


Dave -
 
Been there; done that.  I've posted or contributed to about a dozen KM-related Wikipedia articles (although not all that much in the past while.  I've even had the joy of having an article on knowledge services pulled after a group discussion concluded that it was too "avant guarde" for Wikipedia (a new indicator for leading-edge work!).
 
I don't think that Wikipedia is the right place for developing a new concept such as criteria for life-cycle management of knowledge.
 
Al Simard



Martin@Cleaver.org <martin@...>
 

Perhaps the SIKM wiki could start off as 1) a place to articulate and
refine the purpose of the group and 2) a Capture and Reorganization
tool for the mailing list.

1) A wiki is a good place to define and evolve a set of concepts.
Unlike in email, wiki-based content is not scattered across
disconnected threads: it's all in one place, and can be continually
refactored to improve the Signal:Noise ration. Yahoo Groups just
organizes by date, but for everything else you have to search, and
there is no way for readers to improve the quality of the content.

Our first purpose for using wiki could well be to define our
requirements for a different online space. A wiki may or may not be
sufficient, until we've defined and agreed I don't think we'll know.

Whereever we go the hard bit is likely to be to get engagement in
another online place. The "nice" thing about email is that it's
available to everyone everywhere. We all have email, even when
disconnected. Not everyone uses RSS and its read-only anyhow.

This leads me to my next point.

2) It's possible to automate such that the wiki captures every email
that comes through a mailing list. We can start by having the intent
that not only are conversations captured as they occur today, but, so
that as time passes, the message of each conversation can be reworked,
for example to include extra hyperlinks and landing pages to cater for
additional purposes. In itself, capture-for-reorganization is
valuable.

On a wiki, nuggets can be surfaced, promoted, and made into root
concepts off of which everything else can hang. (This is not to say
that someone must reorganize content. No, it's just that a wiki has
this capability as an affordance. Reorganization is a constructivist
task, most valuable to the reorganizer. Newcomers may find such
articulation of other's concepts a useful way of learning. Old timers
will be able to see the ways in which newcomers are interpreting their
thoughts. This affords a tacit-explicit loop learning process which
people may or may not take advantage of.)


Regards,
Martin


--
Martin Cleaver M.Sc. MBA
Martin.Cleaver@BlendedPerspectives.com
+1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)


Albert Simard <simarda@...>
 

Dave -
 
Actually, I edited the original article (there was one legitimately problematic paragraph) and then recast as a sub-heading under knowledge markets.  I'm happy to note that both have lasted more than a year and that others have added content to give them additional breadth and depth.
 
 
 
You probably didn't see it because, somehow, I forgot to include a link to KM in the article (which I just added)!  So, I'm happy; the Wikipedia philosophy remains intact; and there's more KM stuff than is apparent at first glance.
 
Al Simard


David Snowden <snowded@...>
 

OK I have put it under watch and note it has the buzzword tag



Dave Snowden
Founder & Chief Scientific Officer
Cognitive Edge Pte Ltd

Now blogging at www.cognitive-edge.com


On 28 Jul 2008, at 15:46, Albert Simard wrote:


Dave -
 
Actually, I edited the original article (there was one legitimately problematic paragraph) and then recast as a sub-heading under knowledge markets.  I'm happy to note that both have lasted more than a year and that others have added content to give them additional breadth and depth.
 
 
 
You probably didn't see it because, somehow, I forgot to include a link to KM in the article (which I just added)!  So, I'm happy; the Wikipedia philosophy remains intact; and there's more KM stuff than is apparent at first glance.
 
Al Simard



Albert Simard <simarda@...>
 

Martin -
 
The one thing I've found with automated e-mails for wiki changes is that one can easily get 30 to 50 messages per day if a site has much activity at all.  It is good for group sites, because it is unusual to get the amount of traffic that this idea has generated.  I've learned to use watch lists rather than e-mail for wikis.
 
Al Simard 


Albert Simard <simarda@...>
 

Nope -
 
This is a group site; not a wiki.
 
Al


Martin@Cleaver.org <martin@...>
 


John D. Smith <john.smith@...>
 

One of the learning activities we've got going in CPsquare is to look at the community & practice issues involved in being a Wikepedia editor AND a member of a community that's visible in Wikipedia.  So: trying to look at community muti-membership "on the ground", so to speak.  Talking with one guy every month for a year about his experience of straddling & boundary crossing.
 
Our first session -- last month -- was quite fascinating: we talked about the career path of "a wikipedian"...

John
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* John D. Smith ~ Voice: 503.963.8229 ~ Skype: smithjd
* Portland, Oregon, USA  http://www.learningAlliances.net
* see http://technologyforcommunities.com/tools/
* “Please use your freedom to promote ours.” -- Aung San Suu Kyi


From: sikmleaders@... [mailto:sikmleaders@...] On Behalf Of Albert Simard
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:47 AM
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: Re: [sikmleaders] Re: Wiki

Dave -
 
Actually, I edited the original article (there was one legitimately problematic paragraph) and then recast as a sub-heading under knowledge markets.  I'm happy to note that both have lasted more than a year and that others have added content to give them additional breadth and depth.
 
 
 
You probably didn't see it because, somehow, I forgot to include a link to KM in the article (which I just added)!  So, I'm happy; the Wikipedia philosophy remains intact; and there's more KM stuff than is apparent at first glance.
 
Al Simard