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Stan Garfield
 

I have been dealing with Yahoo on two problems with our Yahoo group. They recently responded with this message: “Yahoo Groups isn't a supported product. The engineering team is spread thin and has to prioritize issues.”


Susan Ostreicher suggested that we consider migrating the SIKM Leaders Community's discussions from the current Yahoo Group to Groups.io.  I read up on this, and it is a good idea. The founder of Groups.io was also the founder of Yahoo Groups. There is a migration tool to move our discussions (but not our files) to Groups.io.  For more, see:

There are two other options I have thought about:

1. Facebook Groups

2. Yammer

  • I am a member of the How? Network, so I can create a group for SIKM and invite new members to join the network and the group.
  • Or another member could do something similar using a different Yammer network.

The priorities for a new platform are:

  1. Functionality that includes what we currently have and goes beyond it, including the ability to post and reply entirely through email.
  2. Ability to migrate old discussions to the new platform.
  3. Improved ease of use.
  4. Improved platform support.
  5. Likelihood of platform longevity.

Which of these alternatives do you prefer?

  1. Stay with Yahoo for as long as it is available and viable.
  2. Migrate to Groups.io.
  3. Move to a Facebook Group.
  4. Move to a Yammer Group (if you can provide access to a Yammer network, provide the details).
  5. Move to something else (specify which platform and why you prefer it).

Bill Kaplan
 

Groups.io

 

From: sikmleaders@... <sikmleaders@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 08:50
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: [sikmleaders] Should we stay or should we go?

 

 

I have been dealing with Yahoo on two problems with our Yahoo group. They recently responded with this message: “Yahoo Groups isn't a supported product. The engineering team is spread thin and has to prioritize issues.”

 

Susan Ostreicher suggested that we consider migrating the SIKM Leaders Community's discussions from the current Yahoo Group to Groups.io.  I read up on this, and it is a good idea. The founder of Groups.io was also the founder of Yahoo Groups. There is a migration tool to move our discussions (but not our files) to Groups.io.  For more, see:

  • Groups.io

There are two other options I have thought about:

1. Facebook Groups

2. Yammer

  • I am a member of the How? Network, so I can create a group for SIKM and invite new members to join the network and the group.
  • Or another member could do something similar using a different Yammer network.

The priorities for a new platform are:

  1. Functionality that includes what we currently have and goes beyond it, including the ability to post and reply entirely through email.
  1. Ability to migrate old discussions to the new platform.
  1. Improved ease of use.
  1. Improved platform support.
  1. Likelihood of platform longevity.

Which of these alternatives do you prefer?

  1. Stay with Yahoo for as long as it is available and viable.
  1. Migrate to Groups.io.
  1. Move to a Facebook Group.
  1. Move to a Yammer Group (if you can provide access to a Yammer network, provide the details).
  1. Move to something else (specify which platform and why you prefer it).

Tony Melendez
 

Stan, in the past I’ve offered to host a domain on my web server. I even have a license for XenForo forum software. XenForo is a great platform, but it doesn’t offer migration from Yahoo Groups. It’s very feature rich, such as different sub-forums (categories), advanced moderation with multiple moderators, public or member-only areas, social media integration, mobile friendly, etc.

 

Let me know if I can help.

 

Tony

 

 

From: sikmleaders@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 6:50 PM
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: [sikmleaders] Should we stay or should we go?

 

 

I have been dealing with Yahoo on two problems with our Yahoo group. They recently responded with this message: “Yahoo Groups isn't a supported product. The engineering team is spread thin and has to prioritize issues.”

 

Susan Ostreicher suggested that we consider migrating the SIKM Leaders Community's discussions from the current Yahoo Group to Groups.io.  I read up on this, and it is a good idea. The founder of Groups.io was also the founder of Yahoo Groups. There is a migration tool to move our discussions (but not our files) to Groups.io.  For more, see:

  • Groups.io

There are two other options I have thought about:

1. Facebook Groups

2. Yammer

  • I am a member of the How? Network, so I can create a group for SIKM and invite new members to join the network and the group.
  • Or another member could do something similar using a different Yammer network.

The priorities for a new platform are:

  1. Functionality that includes what we currently have and goes beyond it, including the ability to post and reply entirely through email.
  1. Ability to migrate old discussions to the new platform.
  1. Improved ease of use.
  1. Improved platform support.
  1. Likelihood of platform longevity.

Which of these alternatives do you prefer?

  1. Stay with Yahoo for as long as it is available and viable.
  1. Migrate to Groups.io.
  1. Move to a Facebook Group.
  1. Move to a Yammer Group (if you can provide access to a Yammer network, provide the details).
  1. Move to something else (specify which platform and why you prefer it).

Lee Romero
 

My two cents: 

  • FB groups seem to impose a requirement that many may not want to follow (having a FB account).
  • Yammer seems viable, though I could see over the long haul it becoming problematic (I say this because as an enterprise user of it, I do see changes over time that are not ideal)
  • I am neutral on Yahoo! groups but based on your insights, Stan, it seems like we shouldn't expect anything new and if it's causing you problems now or making doing certain things harder on you, I see no huge value in staying there (with the caveat that we can migrate or somehow capture whatever is of value from the history of conversations in the Yahoo! group)
  • groups.io seems interesting and promising - it does mean yet-another-login, it appears. But at least one that's not directly associated with any other identities of mine.  My only concern with this is the longevity concern you raise - obviously, we can't see the future but I don't know if this platform would still be around in, say, 5 years.

Given all of that, I would say either move to groups.io and hope it is stable (and not acquired by a company that has less-than-genuine intent with it) or stick with Yahoo! until that is literally unsustainable.

Regards
Lee

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:37 PM Bill Kaplan bill@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:


Groups.io

 

From: sikmleaders@... <sikmleaders@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 08:50
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: [sikmleaders] Should we stay or should we go?

 

 

I have been dealing with Yahoo on two problems with our Yahoo group. They recently responded with this message: “Yahoo Groups isn't a supported product. The engineering team is spread thin and has to prioritize issues.”

 

Susan Ostreicher suggested that we consider migrating the SIKM Leaders Community's discussions from the current Yahoo Group to Groups.io.  I read up on this, and it is a good idea. The founder of Groups.io was also the founder of Yahoo Groups. There is a migration tool to move our discussions (but not our files) to Groups.io.  For more, see:

  • Groups.io

There are two other options I have thought about:

1. Facebook Groups

2. Yammer

  • I am a member of the How? Network, so I can create a group for SIKM and invite new members to join the network and the group.
  • Or another member could do something similar using a different Yammer network.

The priorities for a new platform are:

  1. Functionality that includes what we currently have and goes beyond it, including the ability to post and reply entirely through email.
  1. Ability to migrate old discussions to the new platform.
  1. Improved ease of use.
  1. Improved platform support.
  1. Likelihood of platform longevity.

Which of these alternatives do you prefer?

  1. Stay with Yahoo for as long as it is available and viable.
  1. Migrate to Groups.io.
  1. Move to a Facebook Group.
  1. Move to a Yammer Group (if you can provide access to a Yammer network, provide the details).
  1. Move to something else (specify which platform and why you prefer it).



Nancy Dixon
 

group.io seems promising.  

Nancy

On Aug 14, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Lee Romero pekadad@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:


My two cents: 

  • FB groups seem to impose a requirement that many may not want to follow (having a FB account).
  • Yammer seems viable, though I could see over the long haul it becoming problematic (I say this because as an enterprise user of it, I do see changes over time that are not ideal)
  • I am neutral on Yahoo! groups but based on your insights, Stan, it seems like we shouldn't expect anything new and if it's causing you problems now or making doing certain things harder on you, I see no huge value in staying there (with the caveat that we can migrate or somehow capture whatever is of value from the history of conversations in the Yahoo! group)
  • groups.io seems interesting and promising - it does mean yet-another-login, it appears. But at least one that's not directly associated with any other identities of mine.  My only concern with this is the longevity concern you raise - obviously, we can't see the future but I don't know if this platform would still be around in, say, 5 years.

Given all of that, I would say either move to groups.io and hope it is stable (and not acquired by a company that has less-than-genuine intent with it) or stick with Yahoo! until that is literally unsustainable.

Regards
Lee

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:37 PM Bill Kaplan bill@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:


Groups.io

 

From: sikmleaders@... <sikmleaders@yahoogroups..com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 08:50
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: [sikmleaders] Should we stay or should we go?

 

  

I have been dealing with Yahoo on two problems with our Yahoo group. They recently responded with this message: “Yahoo Groups isn't a supported product. The engineering team is spread thin and has to prioritize issues.”

 

Susan Ostreicher suggested that we consider migrating the SIKM Leaders Community's discussions from the current Yahoo Group to Groups.io.  I read up on this, and it is a good idea. The founder of Groups.io was also the founder of Yahoo Groups. There is a migration tool to move our discussions (but not our files) to Groups.io.  For more, see:

There are two other options I have thought about:

1. Facebook Groups

2. Yammer

  • I am a member of the How? Network, so I can create a group for SIKM and invite new members to join the network and the group.
  • Or another member could do something similar using a different Yammer network.

The priorities for a new platform are:

  1. Functionality that includes what we currently have and goes beyond it, including the ability to post and reply entirely through email.
  1. Ability to migrate old discussions to the new platform.
  1. Improved ease of use.
  1. Improved platform support.
  1. Likelihood of platform longevity.

Which of these alternatives do you prefer?

  1. Stay with Yahoo for as long as it is available and viable.
  1. Migrate to Groups.io.
  1. Move to a Facebook Group.
  1. Move to a Yammer Group (if you can provide access to a Yammer network, provide the details).
  1. Move to something else (specify which platform and why you prefer it).





Howie Cohen
 

Groups.io 


On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:33 PM stangarfield@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:
 

I have been dealing with Yahoo on two problems with our Yahoo group. They recently responded with this message: “Yahoo Groups isn't a supported product. The engineering team is spread thin and has to prioritize issues.”


Susan Ostreicher suggested that we consider migrating the SIKM Leaders Community's discussions from the current Yahoo Group to Groups.io.  I read up on this, and it is a good idea. The founder of Groups.io was also the founder of Yahoo Groups. There is a migration tool to move our discussions (but not our files) to Groups.io.  For more, see:

There are two other options I have thought about:

1. Facebook Groups

2. Yammer

  • I am a member of the How? Network, so I can create a group for SIKM and invite new members to join the network and the group.
  • Or another member could do something similar using a different Yammer network.

The priorities for a new platform are:

  1. Functionality that includes what we currently have and goes beyond it, including the ability to post and reply entirely through email.
  2. Ability to migrate old discussions to the new platform.
  3. Improved ease of use.
  4. Improved platform support.
  5. Likelihood of platform longevity.

Which of these alternatives do you prefer?

  1. Stay with Yahoo for as long as it is available and viable.
  2. Migrate to Groups.io.
  3. Move to a Facebook Group.
  4. Move to a Yammer Group (if you can provide access to a Yammer network, provide the details).
  5. Move to something else (specify which platform and why you prefer it).

Neesham Spitzberg
 

Stan, as always thanks for being such a great steward. 

My two cents: Please don't make me get a facebook acct! 

Cheers, Neesham 



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:09 PM nancydixon commonknowledge.org nancydixon@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:

 

group.io seems promising.  


Nancy

On Aug 14, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Lee Romero pekadad@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:


My two cents: 

  • FB groups seem to impose a requirement that many may not want to follow (having a FB account).
  • Yammer seems viable, though I could see over the long haul it becoming problematic (I say this because as an enterprise user of it, I do see changes over time that are not ideal)
  • I am neutral on Yahoo! groups but based on your insights, Stan, it seems like we shouldn't expect anything new and if it's causing you problems now or making doing certain things harder on you, I see no huge value in staying there (with the caveat that we can migrate or somehow capture whatever is of value from the history of conversations in the Yahoo! group)
  • groups.io seems interesting and promising - it does mean yet-another-login, it appears. But at least one that's not directly associated with any other identities of mine.  My only concern with this is the longevity concern you raise - obviously, we can't see the future but I don't know if this platform would still be around in, say, 5 years.

Given all of that, I would say either move to groups.io and hope it is stable (and not acquired by a company that has less-than-genuine intent with it) or stick with Yahoo! until that is literally unsustainable.

Regards
Lee

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:37 PM Bill Kaplan bill@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:


Groups.io

 

From: sikmleaders@... <sikmleaders@yahoogroups..com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 08:50
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: [sikmleaders] Should we stay or should we go?

 

  

I have been dealing with Yahoo on two problems with our Yahoo group. They recently responded with this message: “Yahoo Groups isn't a supported product. The engineering team is spread thin and has to prioritize issues.”

 

Susan Ostreicher suggested that we consider migrating the SIKM Leaders Community's discussions from the current Yahoo Group to Groups.io.  I read up on this, and it is a good idea. The founder of Groups.io was also the founder of Yahoo Groups. There is a migration tool to move our discussions (but not our files) to Groups.io.  For more, see:

There are two other options I have thought about:

1. Facebook Groups

2. Yammer

  • I am a member of the How? Network, so I can create a group for SIKM and invite new members to join the network and the group.
  • Or another member could do something similar using a different Yammer network.

The priorities for a new platform are:

  1. Functionality that includes what we currently have and goes beyond it, including the ability to post and reply entirely through email.
  1. Ability to migrate old discussions to the new platform.
  1. Improved ease of use.
  1. Improved platform support.
  1. Likelihood of platform longevity.

Which of these alternatives do you prefer?

  1. Stay with Yahoo for as long as it is available and viable.
  1. Migrate to Groups.io.
  1. Move to a Facebook Group.
  1. Move to a Yammer Group (if you can provide access to a Yammer network, provide the details).
  1. Move to something else (specify which platform and why you prefer it).





Jonathan Norman
 

Hi, Stan,

 

My only real experience has been with Facebook Groups, which we use for the Major Projects Knowledge Hub. We also used Linked in Groups for the Hub and, of the two, Facebook is to my mind far superior. The functionality simply encourages more engagement and sharing than Linkedin. For me one of the downsides to Yahoo has been the volume of e-mails it generates.

 

However, I am very aware the SIKM leaders and the Major Projects Knowledge Hub Facebook Group are substantially different. The MPKH Facebook group allows me to amplify the work we do in MPKH. It also serves as a great vehicle for promoting the events and the activities that we facilitate. To my mind, I am involved to a much greater extent in soliciting engagement and whilst MPKH and our Facebook Group have elements of a community of practice there is also a strong element of sharing knowledge from the Hub and disseminating insight to a diverse audience. Whilst we do get good engagement from the Group, members rarely share posts or solicit advice themselves, so the majority of the posts of mine. Facebook Groups works very well for that purpose and certainly enables the Group to post and share complete articles, attach documents in a medium that is user-friendly very readable. It also makes tracking a thread very self-contained and simple.

 

We run a private group which means that new members need approval to join and all posts are moderated before publication. I have the choice of removing either or both of those requirements, if I wish.

 

SIKM leaders is, I feel, a genuine community practice with members sharing knowledge and advice and supporting their peers, so the engagement functionality associated with Facebook Groups may be less valuable.

 

On the question of a Facebook profile, I have two profiles (a personal profile that I very rarely use) and my work profile, which is essentially a vehicle for managing the Group, I rarely post anything to my profile. So whilst it would require members to have a profile to use Facebook Groups, you don’t have to use it beyond the Group.

 

Hope that is helpful. Stan (or any other members of the SIKM group), of you’d like to join our Facebook Group (temporarily if you wish), you would be welcome to look at the platform and what we do: www.facebook.com/groups/majorprojectsknowledgehub/

 

Best regards

 

 

Jonathan

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From: sikmleaders@... <sikmleaders@...>
Sent: 14 August 2019 16:50
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: [sikmleaders] Should we stay or should we go?

 

 

I have been dealing with Yahoo on two problems with our Yahoo group. They recently responded with this message: “Yahoo Groups isn't a supported product. The engineering team is spread thin and has to prioritize issues.”

 

Susan Ostreicher suggested that we consider migrating the SIKM Leaders Community's discussions from the current Yahoo Group to Groups.io.  I read up on this, and it is a good idea. The founder of Groups.io was also the founder of Yahoo Groups. There is a migration tool to move our discussions (but not our files) to Groups.io.  For more, see:

  • Groups.io

There are two other options I have thought about:

1. Facebook Groups

2. Yammer

  • I am a member of the How? Network, so I can create a group for SIKM and invite new members to join the network and the group.
  • Or another member could do something similar using a different Yammer network.

The priorities for a new platform are:

  1. Functionality that includes what we currently have and goes beyond it, including the ability to post and reply entirely through email.
  1. Ability to migrate old discussions to the new platform.
  1. Improved ease of use.
  1. Improved platform support.
  1. Likelihood of platform longevity.

Which of these alternatives do you prefer?

  1. Stay with Yahoo for as long as it is available and viable.
  1. Migrate to Groups.io.
  1. Move to a Facebook Group.
  1. Move to a Yammer Group (if you can provide access to a Yammer network, provide the details).
  1. Move to something else (specify which platform and why you prefer it).

John Coles
 

If you aren't sold on group.io then Gaggle Mail may be another option. https://gaggle.email/




Ann Haibach
 

The company I work for prohibits use of Yammer, but Groups.io seems to work.   

Jasper Lavertu
 

The guy who founded Groups.io seems to be really passionate about online communities considering his history in this area, which is great! And also (more?) important, all Stan's priorities for a new platform are met. Even the likelihood of platform longevity might be higher than with FB Groups because, probably, at FB decisions to cut or continue functionalities like groups are made on different reasons (with more economic grounds) than at groups.io (but this might be a wrong assumption).

Anyway, I would prefer option 2. migrate to groups.io

Jasper

Edwin K. Morris
 

On that note research the privacy policy and how the data is monetized. 

Sent from my LG V40 ThinQ, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

------ Original message------
From: jlavertu@... [sikmleaders]
Date: Mon, Aug 19, 2019 06:03
To: sikmleaders@...;
Cc:
Subject:[sikmleaders] Re: Should we stay or should we go?

 

The guy who founded Groups.io seems to be really passionate about online communities considering his history in this area, which is great! And also (more?) important, all Stan's priorities for a new platform are met. Even the likelihood of platform longevity might be higher than with FB Groups because, probably, at FB decisions to cut or continue functionalities like groups are made on different reasons (with more economic grounds) than at groups.io (but this might be a wrong assumption).


Anyway, I would prefer option 2. migrate to groups.io

Jasper

Stan Garfield
 

This was posted by Yahoo today:

Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.


Thus, I will be migrating our content from Yahoo to Groups.io.

Lee Romero
 

Wow - so it seems that they are just shutting down the product - if I'm reading it correctly, they will let you mail to the group but there will no longer be archives of the conversations - is that how you read it?


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:46 AM stangarfield@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:


This was posted by Yahoo today:

Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.


Thus, I will be migrating our content from Yahoo to Groups.io.


Stan Garfield
 

That's how it appears.  I will migrate all of our community's content to Groups.io and hope that it will be able to live on there.  Other Yahoo groups can do the same, but I expect that the rich discussions from groups that are no longer active such as AOK will be lost forever.  This is very unfortunate.

Karla Phlypo-Price
 

While I am pretty quiet these days I do follow the discussions and would hate to see them go away.  I will follow were ever you take us Stan.  I am still connected though my context has shifted greatly.  KM is never far from what I focus on within my educational institutional.  Please let us know what we must do to continue supporting the sikmleaders group. 
Kind regards,

Karla Phlypo-Price Ph.D.
Knowledge and Innovation Sciences Inc.
Walden University Faculty
Midwest KM Community Leader
248.394.0510


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 2:06 PM Lee Romero pekadad@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:
 

Wow - so it seems that they are just shutting down the product - if I'm reading it correctly, they will let you mail to the group but there will no longer be archives of the conversations - is that how you read it?

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:46 AM stangarfield@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:


This was posted by Yahoo today:

Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.


Thus, I will be migrating our content from Yahoo to Groups.io.


Matt Moore <innotecture@...>
 

Agreed. Just point the way, Stan.

Matt Moore
+61 423 784 504

On Oct 17, 2019, at 6:37 AM, Karla Phlypo-Price karla.s.phlypo@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:

 

While I am pretty quiet these days I do follow the discussions and would hate to see them go away.  I will follow were ever you take us Stan.  I am still connected though my context has shifted greatly.  KM is never far from what I focus on within my educational institutional.  Please let us know what we must do to continue supporting the sikmleaders group. 
Kind regards,

Karla Phlypo-Price Ph.D.
Knowledge and Innovation Sciences Inc.
Walden University Faculty
Midwest KM Community Leader
248.394.0510


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 2:06 PM Lee Romero pekadad@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:
 

Wow - so it seems that they are just shutting down the product - if I'm reading it correctly, they will let you mail to the group but there will no longer be archives of the conversations - is that how you read it?

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:46 AM stangarfield@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:


This was posted by Yahoo today:

Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.


Thus, I will be migrating our content from Yahoo to Groups.io.


Stan Garfield
 

Today I will initiate the migration of our content from Yahoo to Groups.io.  Please do not post or reply any more in Yahoo.  When the migration is complete, I will post again to inform everyone to start posting in Groups.io.


The new URL is https://groups.io/g/SIKM

Arthur Shelley
 

Hi Stan and SIKMLeaders,

 

This is a sad move by Yahoo, but I find most of the free providers have done similar moves at some stage.

Although there are MANY volunteer based communities that get great benefit from free sharing tools, the businesses in the end want all users to be paying a fee for the services they provide.  Personally, I believe there is a great deal of social kudos involved in supporting communities with free tools, but I guess that too many organisations that can afford to pay choose not to and as such the free service is too costly, so everyone loses out.

 

Unfortunately, this is a common narrative around intangibles (of which knowledge is one example). If it is not valued and actively managed, then it is taken for granted and this creates a strain on the relationship between the owner/holder of the asset and those who wish to “extract” value from it. Valued relationships are sustained from mutual value exchange between all parties. As soon as one side or the other feels they are contributing more than the receive in return the relationship is conflicted (and usually expires) unless the value exchange is not rebalanced from all perspectives.

 

Stan knows better than anyone the value of shared perspectives through his efforts to support this community over such a ling period of time. I just hope that the next tool chosen to support conversations between SIKM Leaders members will last as ling as the Yahoo groups did. ActKM in Australia lost their use of Yahoo some time ago and it has never been as actively used since it moved to LinkedIN.

 

Regards

Arthur Shelley

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From: sikmleaders@...
Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2019 7:35 AM
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: Re: [sikmleaders] Re: Should we stay or should we go?

 

 

Agreed. Just point the way, Stan.

Matt Moore

+61 423 784 504


On Oct 17, 2019, at 6:37 AM, Karla Phlypo-Price karla.s.phlypo@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:

 

While I am pretty quiet these days I do follow the discussions and would hate to see them go away.  I will follow were ever you take us Stan.  I am still connected though my context has shifted greatly.  KM is never far from what I focus on within my educational institutional.  Please let us know what we must do to continue supporting the sikmleaders group. 

Kind regards,

Karla Phlypo-Price Ph.D.

Knowledge and Innovation Sciences Inc.

Walden University Faculty

Midwest KM Community Leader

248.394.0510

 

 

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 2:06 PM Lee Romero pekadad@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:

 

Wow - so it seems that they are just shutting down the product - if I'm reading it correctly, they will let you mail to the group but there will no longer be archives of the conversations - is that how you read it?

 

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:46 AM stangarfield@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:

 

This was posted by Yahoo today:

Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.

 

Thus, I will be migrating our content from Yahoo to Groups.io.

 

Stephen Bounds
 

Hi Arthur,

Unfortunately, LinkedIn is a horrible platform for community conversations. Bad notifications, limitations on posts, and some people are uncomfortable with how intrusive it is and don't want to sign up.

I do still like the email-based model of engagement provided by Groups.io and Mailman, but acknowledge that many people find the noise-to-signal ratio too high.

Personally, I find Reddit to be the best place for the threaded forum engagement since it has excellent apps, good notification, user voting, direct messaging, and a simple sign-up model that supports pseudonymous engagement. There is a KM group but it's pretty moribund. I haven't joined in large part because the KM community I know isn't there (network effects at work :-)).

Cheers,
Stephen.

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On 19/10/2019 11:27 am, 'Arthur Shelley' arthur@... [sikmleaders] wrote:

 

Hi Stan and SIKMLeaders,

 

This is a sad move by Yahoo, but I find most of the free providers have done similar moves at some stage.

Although there are MANY volunteer based communities that get great benefit from free sharing tools, the businesses in the end want all users to be paying a fee for the services they provide.  Personally, I believe there is a great deal of social kudos involved in supporting communities with free tools, but I guess that too many organisations that can afford to pay choose not to and as such the free service is too costly, so everyone loses out.

 

Unfortunately, this is a common narrative around intangibles (of which knowledge is one example). If it is not valued and actively managed, then it is taken for granted and this creates a strain on the relationship between the owner/holder of the asset and those who wish to “extract” value from it. Valued relationships are sustained from mutual value exchange between all parties. As soon as one side or the other feels they are contributing more than the receive in return the relationship is conflicted (and usually expires) unless the value exchange is not rebalanced from all perspectives.

 

Stan knows better than anyone the value of shared perspectives through his efforts to support this community over such a ling period of time. I just hope that the next tool chosen to support conversations between SIKM Leaders members will last as ling as the Yahoo groups did. ActKM in Australia lost their use of Yahoo some time ago and it has never been as actively used since it moved to LinkedIN.

 

Regards

Arthur Shelley

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From: sikmleaders@...
Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2019 7:35 AM
To: sikmleaders@...
Subject: Re: [sikmleaders] Re: Should we stay or should we go?

 

 

Agreed. Just point the way, Stan.

Matt Moore

+61 423 784 504


On Oct 17, 2019, at 6:37 AM, Karla Phlypo-Price karla.s.phlypo@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:

 

While I am pretty quiet these days I do follow the discussions and would hate to see them go away.  I will follow were ever you take us Stan.  I am still connected though my context has shifted greatly.  KM is never far from what I focus on within my educational institutional.  Please let us know what we must do to continue supporting the sikmleaders group. 

Kind regards,

Karla Phlypo-Price Ph.D.

Knowledge and Innovation Sciences Inc.

Walden University Faculty

Midwest KM Community Leader

248.394.0510

 

 

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 2:06 PM Lee Romero pekadad@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:

 

Wow - so it seems that they are just shutting down the product - if I'm reading it correctly, they will let you mail to the group but there will no longer be archives of the conversations - is that how you read it?

 

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:46 AM stangarfield@... [sikmleaders] <sikmleaders@...> wrote:

 

This was posted by Yahoo today:

Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.

 

Thus, I will be migrating our content from Yahoo to Groups.io.

 

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