Hi brains trust,
I'm seeking advice on ideas for a good way to represent a stock
and flow diagram. I thought that I should be able to find
something in the Kanban literature but I am coming up with nothing
except this, which doesn't pass the readability test for me:

The general problem I am trying to represent: A person is
passing through a system, each stage of which requires certain
prerequisites to be met to proceed. To take the example of a
person attending a conference:
- A set of people want to attend a conference
- Purchase stage: They cannot buy a ticket until an
allocation of tickets is released (prerequisite)
- Registration stage: Once they buy a ticket, they
proceed to the conference venue and have to be allocated a
conference booklet and lanyard (prerequisites). (Another
parallel flow illustrates how the conference booklet itself
requires sourcing of speakers, content, and graphics before
being provided to the printer, who produces the booklets.)
- Conference stage: On in the conference, attendees
attend sessions (prerequisites: speakers, projector, lectern,
etc), and breaks (prerequisites: hot and cold snacks, drinks)
- Post-conference stage: After the conference, confirmed
attendees receive follow-up surveys and the resulting surveys
are combined into a conference performance report
Ideally the diagram should effectively show flow factors like
throughput, cycle time, and parallelisation as well.
Before I go and invent the wheel again, does anyone know of an
approach to effectively visualise this problem? A Gantt chart is
the typical go-to solution but (1) to non-project managers,
people's eyes just glaze over and (2) it doesn't really represent
flow constraints.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Cheers,
Stephen.
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Stephen Bounds
Executive, Information Management
Cordelta
E: stephen.bounds@...
M: 0401 829 096
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Stepen,
Have you ever looked at IDEF Process Modeling? I haven't used it since I modeled the KM Methodology in the late 1990s, but it is extremely robust.
Cheers,
Douglas Weidner Chairman and Chief CKM Instructor KM Institute
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:48 PM Stephen Bounds < km@...> wrote:
Hi brains trust,
I'm seeking advice on ideas for a good way to represent a stock
and flow diagram. I thought that I should be able to find
something in the Kanban literature but I am coming up with nothing
except this, which doesn't pass the readability test for me:

The general problem I am trying to represent: A person is
passing through a system, each stage of which requires certain
prerequisites to be met to proceed. To take the example of a
person attending a conference:
- A set of people want to attend a conference
- Purchase stage: They cannot buy a ticket until an
allocation of tickets is released (prerequisite)
- Registration stage: Once they buy a ticket, they
proceed to the conference venue and have to be allocated a
conference booklet and lanyard (prerequisites). (Another
parallel flow illustrates how the conference booklet itself
requires sourcing of speakers, content, and graphics before
being provided to the printer, who produces the booklets.)
- Conference stage: On in the conference, attendees
attend sessions (prerequisites: speakers, projector, lectern,
etc), and breaks (prerequisites: hot and cold snacks, drinks)
- Post-conference stage: After the conference, confirmed
attendees receive follow-up surveys and the resulting surveys
are combined into a conference performance report
Ideally the diagram should effectively show flow factors like
throughput, cycle time, and parallelisation as well.
Before I go and invent the wheel again, does anyone know of an
approach to effectively visualise this problem? A Gantt chart is
the typical go-to solution but (1) to non-project managers,
people's eyes just glaze over and (2) it doesn't really represent
flow constraints.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Cheers,
Stephen.
====================================
Stephen Bounds
Executive, Information Management
Cordelta
E: stephen.bounds@...
M: 0401 829 096
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Cheers,
Bruce. ________________
Bruce Boyes
On Saturday, 9 July 2022 at 10:46:16 am AEST, Douglas Weidner <douglas.weidner@...> wrote:
Stepen,
Have you ever looked at IDEF Process Modeling? I haven't used it since I modeled the KM Methodology in the late 1990s, but it is extremely robust.
Cheers,
Douglas Weidner Chairman and Chief CKM Instructor KM Institute
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:48 PM Stephen Bounds < km@...> wrote:
Hi brains trust,
I'm seeking advice on ideas for a good way to represent a stock
and flow diagram. I thought that I should be able to find
something in the Kanban literature but I am coming up with nothing
except this, which doesn't pass the readability test for me:

The general problem I am trying to represent: A person is
passing through a system, each stage of which requires certain
prerequisites to be met to proceed. To take the example of a
person attending a conference:
- A set of people want to attend a conference
- Purchase stage: They cannot buy a ticket until an
allocation of tickets is released (prerequisite)
- Registration stage: Once they buy a ticket, they
proceed to the conference venue and have to be allocated a
conference booklet and lanyard (prerequisites). (Another
parallel flow illustrates how the conference booklet itself
requires sourcing of speakers, content, and graphics before
being provided to the printer, who produces the booklets.)
- Conference stage: On in the conference, attendees
attend sessions (prerequisites: speakers, projector, lectern,
etc), and breaks (prerequisites: hot and cold snacks, drinks)
- Post-conference stage: After the conference, confirmed
attendees receive follow-up surveys and the resulting surveys
are combined into a conference performance report
Ideally the diagram should effectively show flow factors like
throughput, cycle time, and parallelisation as well.
Before I go and invent the wheel again, does anyone know of an
approach to effectively visualise this problem? A Gantt chart is
the typical go-to solution but (1) to non-project managers,
people's eyes just glaze over and (2) it doesn't really represent
flow constraints.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Cheers,
Stephen.
====================================
Stephen Bounds
Executive, Information Management
Cordelta
E: stephen.bounds@...
M: 0401 829 096
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Andy Farnsworth
Hi Stephen,
Totally agree - unless you're looking to simulate/model the flows, that kind of representation is heavy-handed. I've had some good success using simple system mapping in Miro and Kumu, with the amount of detail dependent on the audience.
Can you say a bit more about the audience and the flow constraints you want to represent? Do you mean identifying bottlenecks for example?
Andy
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Sandra Lopez
Stephen, I work with vensim for stock and flow, is a system dynamics program. Tiene are free versión That is Goodyear for your purpouse Best regards
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El vie, 8 de jul. de 2022 6:48 p. m., Stephen Bounds < km@...> escribió:
Hi brains trust,
I'm seeking advice on ideas for a good way to represent a stock
and flow diagram. I thought that I should be able to find
something in the Kanban literature but I am coming up with nothing
except this, which doesn't pass the readability test for me:

The general problem I am trying to represent: A person is
passing through a system, each stage of which requires certain
prerequisites to be met to proceed. To take the example of a
person attending a conference:
- A set of people want to attend a conference
- Purchase stage: They cannot buy a ticket until an
allocation of tickets is released (prerequisite)
- Registration stage: Once they buy a ticket, they
proceed to the conference venue and have to be allocated a
conference booklet and lanyard (prerequisites). (Another
parallel flow illustrates how the conference booklet itself
requires sourcing of speakers, content, and graphics before
being provided to the printer, who produces the booklets.)
- Conference stage: On in the conference, attendees
attend sessions (prerequisites: speakers, projector, lectern,
etc), and breaks (prerequisites: hot and cold snacks, drinks)
- Post-conference stage: After the conference, confirmed
attendees receive follow-up surveys and the resulting surveys
are combined into a conference performance report
Ideally the diagram should effectively show flow factors like
throughput, cycle time, and parallelisation as well.
Before I go and invent the wheel again, does anyone know of an
approach to effectively visualise this problem? A Gantt chart is
the typical go-to solution but (1) to non-project managers,
people's eyes just glaze over and (2) it doesn't really represent
flow constraints.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Cheers,
Stephen.
====================================
Stephen Bounds
Executive, Information Management
Cordelta
E: stephen.bounds@...
M: 0401 829 096
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Hi,
Thanks to everyone for your generous responses and great ideas. I
have to go away and do a lot more investigation now but just to
acknowledge all contributors and provide a quick round-up of
initial thoughts:
- Andy: Bottlenecks and lead times are important, but a
second order issue to just visualising precursor activities and
dependencies in a logical way. I'm currently managing a program
with a complex network of responsibilities encompassing multiple
quasi-independent stakeholders (unfortunately I can't be
specific). Plans appear to be in fully place, only to later
realise that important precursor activities haven't been scoped
or completed by an indirectly responsible party.
- Douglas: Thanks for the pointer to IDEF.
I have used something similar to IDEF0 in the past but didn't
realise its origins. IDEF3 seems compatible with what I'm
looking for, possibly in combination with IDEF0. A very useful
resource!
- Bruce: Thanks, I remembered Insight Maker after I
posted but wasn't aware of Anylogic. Anylogic have
some great diagram examples in their white
paper, including a more readable stock and flow diagram
(p24), which is also similar to that used by vensim.
- David: It appears that the illustration I provided in
my (take from an academic
paper) is from a product called Stella
Architect, which is similar to Insight Maker in its
systems modelling approach.
- Rob: Thanks for suggesting your very evocative "tap",
"bath" and "sink" icons. They are a very evocative visualisation
aid - I hope it is OK if I reuse them in future projects!
- Sandra: Appreciate your suggestion of vensim.
I particularly like the clarity with which it describes the types
of variables in these systems.
- Patrick: Thanks for the referral to Nolijwork.
Agree with your assessment that it's in a similar space, but a
new and interestingly different take. I'll get in touch with
Paul.
As an aside/point of note, I will also point those in the KM
community who are interested in this topic towards the site Creative
Learning Exchange. Founded by Jay Forrester, widely
acknowledged as one of the initial thinkers of system dynamics
back in 1961, there are lots of interesting free resources
published on this site including lots of curriculum materials and
explainer videos.
For now anyway, I have two strong leads on what I need: IDEF3 and
something similar to the systems dynamics modelling diagrams used
by Anylogic and vensim. I'll report back if and when I have
something more to share. Thanks again for your help!
Cheers,
Stephen.
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Stephen Bounds
Executive, Information Management
Cordelta
E: stephen.bounds@...
M: 0401 829 096
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On 9/07/2022 12:03 pm, Bruce Boyes via
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Bruce.
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Bruce Boyes
Stepen,
Have you ever looked at IDEF Process
Modeling?
I haven't used it since I modeled the KM
Methodology in the late 1990s, but it is extremely
robust.
Cheers,
Douglas Weidner
Chairman and Chief CKM Instructor
KM Institute
On Fri,
Jul 8, 2022 at 7:48 PM Stephen Bounds < km@...>
wrote:
Hi brains trust,
I'm seeking advice on ideas for a good way to
represent a stock and flow diagram. I thought
that I should be able to find something in the
Kanban literature but I am coming up with
nothing except this, which doesn't pass the
readability test for me:

The general problem I am trying to represent: A
person is passing through a system, each stage
of which requires certain prerequisites to be
met to proceed. To take the example of a
person attending a conference:
- A set of people want to attend a conference
- Purchase stage: They cannot buy a
ticket until an allocation of tickets is
released (prerequisite)
- Registration stage: Once they buy a
ticket, they proceed to the conference venue
and have to be allocated a conference booklet
and lanyard (prerequisites). (Another parallel
flow illustrates how the conference booklet
itself requires sourcing of speakers, content,
and graphics before being provided to the
printer, who produces the booklets.)
- Conference stage: On in the
conference, attendees attend sessions
(prerequisites: speakers, projector, lectern,
etc), and breaks (prerequisites: hot and cold
snacks, drinks)
- Post-conference stage: After the
conference, confirmed attendees receive
follow-up surveys and the resulting surveys
are combined into a conference performance
report
Ideally the diagram should effectively show
flow factors like throughput, cycle time, and
parallelisation as well.
Before I go and invent the wheel again, does
anyone know of an approach to effectively
visualise this problem? A Gantt chart is the
typical go-to solution but (1) to non-project
managers, people's eyes just glaze over and (2)
it doesn't really represent flow constraints.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Cheers,
Stephen.
====================================
Stephen Bounds
Executive, Information Management
Cordelta
E: stephen.bounds@...
M: 0401 829 096
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